More than ever I feel the need of having Thee close to me.
“My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” I will all the more gladly boast of my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong.
Corinthians 12:7-10
Saturday, 30 June 2012
Dedicated to those in the Vatican and those in the SSPX who scheme and distort
Monday, July 9, 2012 The SSPX has accepted Vatican Council II according to the doctrinal preamble-they must ask Di Noia and Muller to accept the Council with implicit, known only to God LG 8 and LG 16
I have been asked in a comment by I Am Not Spartacus on the website The Bellarmine Report (Cardinal Levada Muffs Pope's Agreement with SSPX ) to explain an earlier comment of mine.
I Am Not Spartacus I am sorry, but I do not understand what is being claimed here.
Dear Mr Andrades. In plain and simple language can you write what you think the SSPX is accepting in Vatican Two and what it is objecting to in Vatican Two?
Lionel: What is the SSPX accepting in Vatican Council II? The SSPX accepts Ad Gentes 7 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.
What is the SSPX objecting to? The SSPX is really objecting to Lumen Gentium 8 and Lumen Gentium 16 being considered exceptions to AG 7 and to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The SSPX assumes that LG 8 and LG 16 contradict the SSPX position on other religions and ecumenism.
I am not Spartacus Are you claiming that Vatican Two essentially teaches Feenyism?
Lionel: Yes. Vatican Council II is in agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In this sense it is in agreement with Fr. Leonard Feeney.
If LG 8 ‘elements of sanctification’ and LG 16 (invincible ignorance and a good conscience) are considered implicit and known only to God, they do not contradict the literal interpretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney.
There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney on outside the church there is no salvation.
For Archbishop Di Noia LG 8 contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He mentioned this to Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register when asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The SSPX has accepted Vatican Council II according to the doctrinal preamble-they must ask Di Noia and Muller to accept the Council with implicit, known only to God LG 8 and LG 16. -Lionel Andrades
THE SSPX HAS SIGNED THE DOCTRINAL PREAMBLE ACCEPTING VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION: THEY REJECT THE MULLER, SCHONBORN,KOCH INTERPRETATION WITH AN EXPLICIT LG 8 AND LG 16 Archbishop Augustine Di Noia does the Holy Spirit teach that LG 8 and LG 16 are known to us and not implicit? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/sspx-has-signed-doctrinal-preamble.html#links
WILL THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST FR.LEONARD FEENEY BE NOW ALSO MADE AGAINST THE SSPX? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/will-false-accusations-against.html#links
THE VATICAN CURIA IS IN A CRISIS WITH THEIR POLITICAL VERSION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II: SSPX SHOULD ASK THEM FOR REFERENCE TEXTS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/vatican-curia-is-in-crisis-with-their.html#links
And this, goodly sir, is why I love this blog. Thanks for this.
ReplyDeleteThanks ACM....more power to your Guinness.
ReplyDeleteMonday, July 9, 2012
ReplyDeleteThe SSPX has accepted Vatican Council II according to the doctrinal preamble-they must ask Di Noia and Muller to accept the Council with implicit, known only to God LG 8 and LG 16
I have been asked in a comment by I Am Not Spartacus on the website The Bellarmine Report (Cardinal Levada Muffs Pope's Agreement with SSPX ) to explain an earlier comment of mine.
I Am Not Spartacus
I am sorry, but I do not understand what is being claimed here.
Dear Mr Andrades. In plain and simple language can you write what you think the SSPX is accepting in Vatican Two and what it is objecting to in Vatican Two?
Lionel:
What is the SSPX accepting in Vatican Council II?
The SSPX accepts Ad Gentes 7 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.
What is the SSPX objecting to?
The SSPX is really objecting to Lumen Gentium 8 and Lumen Gentium 16 being considered exceptions to AG 7 and to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The SSPX assumes that LG 8 and LG 16 contradict the SSPX position on other religions and ecumenism.
I am not Spartacus
Are you claiming that Vatican Two essentially teaches Feenyism?
Lionel:
Yes. Vatican Council II is in agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In this sense it is in agreement with Fr. Leonard Feeney.
If LG 8 ‘elements of sanctification’ and LG 16 (invincible ignorance and a good conscience) are considered implicit and known only to God, they do not contradict the literal interpretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney.
There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney on outside the church there is no salvation.
For Archbishop Di Noia LG 8 contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He mentioned this to Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register when asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The SSPX has accepted Vatican Council II according to the doctrinal preamble-they must ask Di Noia and Muller to accept the Council with implicit, known only to God LG 8 and LG 16.
-Lionel Andrades
THE SSPX HAS SIGNED THE DOCTRINAL PREAMBLE ACCEPTING VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION: THEY REJECT THE MULLER, SCHONBORN,KOCH INTERPRETATION WITH AN EXPLICIT LG 8 AND LG 16
ReplyDeleteArchbishop Augustine Di Noia does the Holy Spirit teach that LG 8 and LG 16 are known to us and not implicit?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/sspx-has-signed-doctrinal-preamble.html#links
WILL THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST FR.LEONARD FEENEY BE NOW ALSO MADE AGAINST THE SSPX?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/will-false-accusations-against.html#links
THE VATICAN CURIA IS IN A CRISIS WITH THEIR POLITICAL VERSION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II: SSPX SHOULD ASK THEM FOR REFERENCE TEXTS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/vatican-curia-is-in-crisis-with-their.html#links