Friday, 11 July 2014

The Novus Ordo exposed

This short video clip presents the case for the Tridentine Latin Mass clearly and unequivocally.

Of course, we have heard all this before but this fine priest (Fr George Gabet FSSP) talks to camera passionately and without rancour.

I was also rather taken by one of the comments.

It reads as follows:-

"The difference is that the Novus Ordo service  has Protestant influences, If you are fine with that then attend."

That, too, is a succinct statement and one difficult to argue with.


  1. The problem with the Novus Ordo is that it is lends itself to any influence (whatever the priest and congregation fancy in fact). In Protestant countries, that heresy exercises the dominant influence because the Catholic population in those countries have been exposed to Protestant propaganda and therefore believe that it has the moral high ground (which is why they desire to imitate it). However, it would be more accurate to say that the Novus Ordo is a secularised liturgy.

  2. "In Protestant countries, that heresy exercises the dominant influence because the Catholic population in those countries have been exposed to Protestant propaganda and therefore believe that it has the moral high ground (which is why they desire to imitate it)."

    A very astute comment, sir.

  3. "The difference is that the Novus Ordo service has Protestant influences, If you are fine with that then attend."
    Too easy! Facile with it!
    In my day we attended school and "heard " mass, with a technical meaning of hear.
    DG I ve heard mass every feastday and Sunday for 60 years, (and and a few times before that before my baptism )barring illness and similar, DV I shall ciontinue to do so and I may, or may not ,be "fine with" rite/form X, Father Y , Church Zed, translation A, , parish/parishoners B,C,&D.
    Mutatis mutandis in childhood or early yuf at my mother'sknee or other low joint did I learn that Prods go to their services becuase of ../.., Catholics to mass despite .../..(usually the character of the priest)
    No protestant nuffink got what the mass got, howsoever imperfect anything be, nay though for someone, me or thee, objective imperfections be an occasion of sin, even.
    Slippery slope, Sir, slippery slope.

    1. Prods go to their services because of ../.., Catholics to mass despite ../...

      Very well put, and I speak as a convert.

      - Tamsin

  4. “We must strip from our Catholic prayers and from the Catholic liturgy everything which can be the shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren that is for the Prostestants.”

    Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, main author of the New Mass, L'Osservatore Romano, March 19, 1965

    The proof of the protestantisation of the Mass is never very far away.


  5. Of course, the great swathe of protestants never turned up and we are left with the debris............

    In the words of Fr. Z.

    "Change the way we pray and you will change what we believe and, therefore, how we behave as Catholics" referring to lex orandi lex credendi


    in the words of Professor Dietrich von Hildebrand....

    "Truly, if one of the devils in C.S. Lewis' The Screwtape Letters had been entrusted with the ruin of the liturgy he could not have done it better."


  6. The Nous Ordo is profoundly protestant in structure as was intended.

    The typical Protestant service is communal in character, directed by a minister, or presider, and consists of hymns, scripture readings, with much lay involvement, and a sermon, or sermons. Often, it is a communion service attended by all


    Yes we still have a Consecration, but frequently so rushed and imperceptible.

    The Relativists have done well. It’s hard to say what our priests think, since they rarely if ever talk about anything remotely Catholic. That seems to embarrass them. And in any case, they are usually rushing off to say Mass at the next parish.

    1. Yes, it has been highly efficacious in causing the abandonment of the Faith, and morals. The degradation of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is diabolical.

  7. But the choice is not between the Vetus Ordo and the Novus Ordo. The reality is that the Novus Ordo is the Mass of the Roman Catholic Church save for a small minority that both prefer the Vetus ordo AND have one available.

    I know people do not like to hear this, but that is the reality, I am afraid. The problem with turning one's nose up at the Novus Ordo -- which can be tolerably celebrated and a source of profound consolation -- is that it divides the Church and denigrates a perfectly valid and -- for most people -- satisfactory *(if symbolically imperfect) Mass. I cannot speak for God, but I have to wonder how much much more He values the humility of those "putting up with" their local Novus Ordo Mass over the fine sensibilities of the traditionalists.

    There is zero chance of the traditionalist Mass becoming common, let alone return as the ordinary and expected Mass of the Church. So sing the praises -- and rightly so -- of the old form, but let the snarkiness about the new form end, unless you have a reasonable hope of accomplishing something positive by your criticism.

    A friendly, non-traditionalist perspective from the neighborhood Bear.

    1. There is zero chance of the Church recovering from the present great apostasy until the traditional Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is restored and available to all.

    2. St Corbinian's Bear - I think that Almighty God would not approve of us joining in mindless "theme" Masses that, in essence mock the Divine Presence. I find nothing snarky in pointing out the many flaws of the new Mass and, yes, one day, possibly 100 years hence, we will have the old Mass back as the norm. God bless.

    3. Richard, I think we are capable of distinguishing "theme Masses" from Novus Ordo Masses as they are normally celebrated. I am not against the Latin Mass. But I do not see it replacing the N.O. Mass, and believe waiting until it does is to write off the vast majority -- did I say vast? -- of people who can't have it and don't want if they could.

    4. According to Rorate Caeli's retweeting on twitter, the N.O. will be dead in France by about 2050?

    5. Correction, 2038

    6. The reality is that the Novus Ordo and the Vetus Ordo are the two prescribed normal forms of the Western Latin Rite. There are several others of course.

      The Novus Ordo in its myriad of forms is usually well removed form what Sacrosanctum Concilium suggested, and even from the Pauline Mass, itself well removed. As such it is a valid Mass but is implicitly doctrinally misleading.

      It is therefore the duty of every orthodox Catholic to point this out and urge Reform of the Reform. This is slowly happening, and I try in all humility, put up with it as and when.

      As for the Vetus Ordo becoming common? I would put it the other way round. for how long wil the Novus Ordo last, given the continuing decline in numbers of both clergy and laity. If my parish/diocese is anything to go by, not long. But I suspect you will still then see a small bu steadily growing Vetus Ordo and Catholics attending it?

  8. How long before Father's superior smacks him for speaking out against the Conciliar hoaxes perpetrated upon us? That is not allowed you know.

    Good on you, Father Gabet!

  9. St C's Bear.....I am afraid that, in the UK, theme Masses are the norm. I do not attend those because they are an insult to Our Blessed Lord. Only in the TLM do I find the reverence and piety required.
    And, of course, you are right that the vast majority are, at present in the OF camp. But, the Catholic Faith has never been a participant in the numbers game. One day it will return and in force.

  10. People can't want that which they have been kept ignorant of.