tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post3139599630291212701..comments2024-03-23T09:59:53.293+00:00Comments on LINEN ON THE HEDGEROW: The real barrier to the Latin Mass? Richard Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-17327802579860222002014-09-23T23:27:38.590+01:002014-09-23T23:27:38.590+01:00Lynda showing her true colors in the fruit loop Mu...Lynda showing her true colors in the fruit loop Mundabor:<br /><br />"I simply don’t have the words for this evil targeting of the good. What’s worse is that no cardinals or bishops are shouting out in condemnation. What a sick Church. Lord have mercy! Reparation!"Cypriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-48197650374057634492014-09-21T15:33:18.866+01:002014-09-21T15:33:18.866+01:00"Cyrprian", "Cosmas" and "..."Cyrprian", "Cosmas" and "David" seem to speak in the one spitefully-defamatory voice. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-40125718973547578902014-09-21T11:07:45.167+01:002014-09-21T11:07:45.167+01:00From "Cyprian":
you camouflage yourself...From "Cyprian":<br /><br />you camouflage yourself under the mantle of 'orthodoxy' and 'orthopraxis' while all the time being a sedevacantist and on its extreme Lunar Right. The catalogue of authorities is indication enough that your reading and appeal to genuine scholarship are shallow. effete and neurotic. The paper trail of your moaning, bleating, whining narrowness is traceable all over blogdom. So too your 'markers' on every 'telephone pole' you trot past."<br /><br />The above passage is defamation pure and simple. If I were Jacobi, I would be taking legal action against "Cyprian" for the above libels, which are devoid of a scrap of evidence. British laws against calumny are very severe; Jacobi would certainly win such legal action; and the result would probably be the closing down of this entire blog.<br /><br />When, when, when will the average Catholic perceive the obvious truth that unlimited free speech has never been, is not now, and never will be, part of Catholicism? Those who enable the dissemination of filth must share in the culpability of those who are originally responsible for it. The least Mr Collins can do is ban Cyprian forthwith.R Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17624645479033609279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-41668645187851898492014-09-21T11:06:22.995+01:002014-09-21T11:06:22.995+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.R Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17624645479033609279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-44286873300324867682014-09-14T00:50:20.076+01:002014-09-14T00:50:20.076+01:00Different names but same demented dastardly diatri...Different names but same demented dastardly diatribe. Blessed Michael, the Archangel, defend us . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-88446722564274652802014-09-13T19:45:42.981+01:002014-09-13T19:45:42.981+01:00That reply Cyprian (and in fact everything that yo...That reply Cyprian (and in fact everything that you have written on this blog insulting and disparaging people) shows very clearly that you are no Christian - let alone a Catholic!<br /><br />I shall pray for your conversion.<br /><br />KathleenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-81699019363175021782014-09-12T02:33:07.936+01:002014-09-12T02:33:07.936+01:00You would say that wouldn't you Lynda but you ...You would say that wouldn't you Lynda but you wouldn't be able to explain why you said it. You're reading from the SSPX script. Lefebvre died outside the Church. Most of them will and those who follow them too.<br />Think for yourself.Cosmasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-11255810487253318952014-09-12T01:27:22.202+01:002014-09-12T01:27:22.202+01:00I think that it was disastrous was clear from the ...I think that it was disastrous was clear from the beginning. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-14523605229723697332014-09-12T01:09:44.125+01:002014-09-12T01:09:44.125+01:00Another live one from the same stable as Jacobi th...Another live one from the same stable as Jacobi the Heterodox and there is no known cure for it beyond the biological solution!Cypriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-39326113661607012282014-09-12T00:42:50.383+01:002014-09-12T00:42:50.383+01:00@ Cyprian
This is quite simply not true.
Pope Pa...@ Cyprian<br /><br />This is quite simply not true.<br /><br />Pope Paul VI was dismayed when he saw what Card. Bugnini and 'helpers' had come up with as the New Mass! He described it as “a many-sided inconvenience” and “nuisance”, which would cause “the feeling of annoyance”, “regret” and “bewilderment”. With these words, one can hardly think he saw this Mass capable of "raising the mind and heart to God" I would think!<br /><br />30 years after the Council Cardinal Ratzinger wrote: “I am convinced that the crisis in the Church that we are experiencing today is to a large extent due to the disintegration of the liturgy.” He referred to the Novus Ordo Mass as “a fabrication, a banal on-the-spot product”. This was long before his Motus Propio SP, which was solely because he knew the value of the Traditional Latin Mass - that Fr. Faber called "the most beautiful thing this side of Heaven". It had nothing to do with using it as a tool to bring the members of the SSPX back into the fold.<br /><br />The sublimely beautiful and holy TLM is returning thanks to the growing number who are (re)discovering its splendour. Those who refuse to believe this are ones who are "delusional".<br /><br />KathleenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-65690139427773736472014-09-12T00:13:24.168+01:002014-09-12T00:13:24.168+01:00Still shifting deck-chairs on the Titanic, Cyprian...Still shifting deck-chairs on the Titanic, Cyprian?<br /><br />Well said Jacobi! Thank you for your faithfulness to the One True Catholic Church - the Bride of Christ - still vibrantly alive (never doubt it) as She rises like the Phoenix from the ashes of the destruction wrought by traitors within her gates, in the 50 years since Vatican II.<br /><br />KathleenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-73363888490992695112014-09-11T23:21:46.855+01:002014-09-11T23:21:46.855+01:00None so relativist than yourself 'Jacobi' ...None so relativist than yourself 'Jacobi' as you camouflage yourself under the mantle of 'orthodoxy' and 'orthopraxis' while all the time being a sedevacantist and on its extreme Lunar Right. The catalogue of authorities is indication enough that your reading and appeal to genuine scholarship are shallow. effete and neurotic.<br /> The paper trail of your moaning, bleating, whining narrowness is traceable all over blogdom. So too your 'markers' on every 'telephone pole' you trot pastCypriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-7901897949955119402014-09-11T17:07:21.883+01:002014-09-11T17:07:21.883+01:00Thanks, Mac, you're right of course. A reasone...Thanks, Mac, you're right of course. A reasoned argument is so much more potent than a knee-jerk reaction.<br />SueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-11134480302233233242014-09-11T10:48:55.391+01:002014-09-11T10:48:55.391+01:00Vat II can now be seen, with the perspective of 60...Vat II can now be seen, with the perspective of 60 years, to have been the occasion for one of the great disasters in the history of the Church.<br /><br />The bishops during the Council were out-manoeuvred by the liberal/Relativist factions so warned about by St Pius X, and afterwards were simply swept away by the current secularist thinking of the time.<br /><br />Sacrosanctum Consilium in no way authorised the destruction of the Catholic Mass of the Western Catholic Church. It did not justify the Pauline Mass, and certainly not, the myriad unauthorised and implicitly heretical versions we have to cope with today.<br /><br />There are two things we must all keep in mind about Vatican II. <br /><br />a) It defined no dogma at all and the doctrinal position before and after the Council was the same. <br /><br />b) It did not in any way abrogate the Mass defined by St Pius V. It could not. It did not have the authority to do so. Quo Primum stands today as before as the document defining the principle Mass of the Western Catholic Church, and the language of that Mass, and indeed of the Catholic Church, continues to be Latin.<br /><br />It is true that the present Holy Father is unlikely to take this view. We are in the midst of a Relativist Reformation. Remember it was some 50 years (and 3/4 popes?) before the Protestant Reformation was recognised as such and a hundred years before the term was widely used. <br /><br />The earliest acknowledgement of the present Reformation I have found, apart from Wiltgen that is, was Muggeridge about 1980 I think. Since then Davies, Mosebach, Kwasniewsky, many others and of course Bishops Athanasius Schneider drawn attention to the startlingly obvious, so widely denied by all and sundry.<br />The Church is effectively split at present. Whether this becomes formal remains to be seen. The coming Symposium on the Family, which effectively will consider permission for those in a state of Mortal Sin to receive Holy Communion, might well be decisive.<br /><br />But the Church will survive, although as Benedict XVI said, in a very much smaller form for some time.<br />Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-63551715229000044812014-09-10T03:15:50.270+01:002014-09-10T03:15:50.270+01:00Anonymous, Satan hates the Rosary, which is a stro...Anonymous, Satan hates the Rosary, which is a strong protection against him. The Rosary is not a weapon like a giant bomber, but perhaps like the swords of St. Michael and St. George.Lawrence Hall, HSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04906964306659335649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-37036178249205480412014-09-09T00:46:20.963+01:002014-09-09T00:46:20.963+01:00Read what I said, Lynda. The authentic criterion f...Read what I said, Lynda. The authentic criterion for understanding or interpreting the meaning of the Council is what the Council Fathers did with the documents they created. Many, if not most of these documents, represent theological compromise. Look at Lumen Gentium and Gaudium et Spes and you will see the stresses and conflicts between at least two substantially different ecclesiologies and models of Church governance. It is what those 2,800 bishops chose to implement in their dioceses that determines what is the correct interpretative tool. <br />Relevant to the present discussion, those bishops decided that the age of Latin and the Tridentine Mass had served its purpose and that the Vernacular was now demanded. This was confirmed by Pope Paul VI. <br /><br />The Tridentine Mass was only restored as a free available option to priests by Benedict XVI because he wrongly believed that it might attract the Lunar Right of the SSPX back into the fold. That has not worked and never will.<br />Francis has no time for Benedict's attempt at re-Latinisation. It's time is over and the last minute attempts at spin from the Ultra Trads to describe the Tridentine hybrid form as the 'Immemorial Mass of the Ages' are delusional at best, fabricators at worst.Cypriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-26088813327238987712014-09-09T00:21:49.728+01:002014-09-09T00:21:49.728+01:00If the radical liturgical implementation you descr...If the radical liturgical implementation you describe were the "true authentic hermenuitic" of Vatican II, as you contend, that would show definitively per se, that the Vatican Council II was not in accordance with the Sacred Tradition, the Sacred Deposit of the Faith. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-21411878981551744062014-09-09T00:12:33.174+01:002014-09-09T00:12:33.174+01:00You are joking, I presume! The Rosary has always b...You are joking, I presume! The Rosary has always been one of the most powerful prayer weapons against evil and for the defence of good. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-72607221137702491612014-09-08T19:09:19.223+01:002014-09-08T19:09:19.223+01:00Hmmm, never considered the Rosary to be 'a pot...Hmmm, never considered the Rosary to be 'a potent weapon'. I'm sure it was never meant to be..<br />Sue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-52384003493737626812014-09-08T12:55:49.122+01:002014-09-08T12:55:49.122+01:00Vat II did not give bishops a mandate to disgard L...Vat II did not give bishops a mandate to disgard Latin cf Sacrosanctum Concilium 36.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-38239849191601238892014-09-08T11:27:22.164+01:002014-09-08T11:27:22.164+01:00If the Latin Mass is over then can you explain why...If the Latin Mass is over then can you explain why England has gone from having 6 Latin Mass centres to 187 Latin Mass Centres in only seven years?Mikehttp://lmslincolnshire.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-21730047343220618052014-09-08T06:31:59.321+01:002014-09-08T06:31:59.321+01:00None of the Latin Rite bishops at Vatican II were ...None of the Latin Rite bishops at Vatican II were educated in the theology of their time, were ordained priests from the 1920s or so, had never celebrated any Mass but the Tridentine Mass. When those 2,800 bishops returned to their dioceses they understood that Sacrosanctum Concilium provided them with the mandate to disgard Latin as the language of theological education, the language of the Church and the language of the liturgy. They commit it to history.<br /><br />What those bishops implemented in their dioceses is the true, authentic hermeneutic of Vatican II.<br /><br />Latin as the universal language of the Church is finished and the Latin Mass is a relic. It is all over bar the moans of those who are persuaded that the status and shape of the Church became fixed at the death of Pius XII and that God can only communicate revelation in Latin.Cypriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-16206848329748273642014-09-08T01:07:00.637+01:002014-09-08T01:07:00.637+01:00Why should it be up to the assistant priest to ret...Why should it be up to the assistant priest to return the altar and things to their NO shape? What happened to lay help? I know many parishes where the Altar and Rosary ladies help out with the altar and the men do the heavy lifting. <br /><br />As to the pp's being the obstacle, in my years of NO/EF watching, this has not been the case, but the bishops objecting.<br />I only know of one pp who objected and he is not American or English by birth, and used to happy-clappy Masses.<br /><br />If the laity want the TLM, they have to work for it.Supertradmumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829935047036023159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-87501981237429529532014-09-07T14:00:46.202+01:002014-09-07T14:00:46.202+01:00Good to see you back Richard. Keep tabs on the Rev...Good to see you back Richard. Keep tabs on the Reverend James!<br />God bless.umblepiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455889107917179909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-16463102484002123442014-09-07T05:05:53.653+01:002014-09-07T05:05:53.653+01:00Great to see you back Richard. Keep on recovering,...Great to see you back Richard. Keep on recovering, stay well, God Bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com