tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post8389434035514489230..comments2024-03-23T09:59:53.293+00:00Comments on LINEN ON THE HEDGEROW: A Mass for the DeafRichard Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-332571505511182582013-08-22T21:07:04.378+01:002013-08-22T21:07:04.378+01:00To all: Thank you for your comments, enlightening ...To all: Thank you for your comments, enlightening as always. I agree that sound debate (rather than bickering) is in order and that it is good to seek perfection in the Mass. To make a military analogy, it's fine having good hearted troops who are not very good at marching and drill but it's much, much better if they have discipline and carry out orders efficiently and to the best effect.<br />It is a great pity that the ICKSP have a problem in some geographical areas but, maybe by debating the issue, it will come to their attention.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-17725919074432300182013-08-21T02:09:02.842+01:002013-08-21T02:09:02.842+01:00@Unknown: I was not complaining "for the sak...@Unknown: I was not complaining "for the sake of it". I venture to say that neither was Aged Parent. I was simply agreeing with another commenter as I have had the same experience on a number of occasions. I have the greatest love and respect for the Institute, their priests and their nuns. Relax. I'm glad that you yourself have not had the incessant organ background music as we have.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08481730297658525937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-7033215635176324582013-08-21T00:52:51.032+01:002013-08-21T00:52:51.032+01:00I think we've all experienced many Masses &quo...I think we've all experienced many Masses "for the deaf"! I know a priest who not only shouts out all the parts of the Mass, including the silent parts, but shouts at the back of the Church to latecomers (frivolous banter) up to the Gospel, while other priests are offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass!Lyndanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-18531927508576845282013-08-21T00:06:21.558+01:002013-08-21T00:06:21.558+01:00Poppycock! I go to an Institute Mass every day an...Poppycock! I go to an Institute Mass every day and have never had that experience. It's a wonderful to have this opportunity after 40 years in the desert. Why do people complain for the sake of it?Chloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05938814790482289950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-82580255631276500522013-08-20T23:02:49.153+01:002013-08-20T23:02:49.153+01:00This is definitely not my experience of Holy Mass ...This is definitely not my experience of Holy Mass as celebrated by Priests of the Institute of Christ the King here in Lancashire. Instead of raising this issue here yet again would it not be more charitable to discuss this with the Priest concerned.Introibonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-31455037917150537242013-08-20T18:26:10.708+01:002013-08-20T18:26:10.708+01:00@Aged parent: I've had that same experience w...@Aged parent: I've had that same experience with Institute of Christ the King Masses. Not exactly a dialogue Mass, but not silent enough for my taste. <br /><br />I chuckled when you mentioned the organ. I've had that exact same experience! Way too much organ playing instead of allowing us the peace to enter into prayer, AND the organist didn't seem to know how to play the organ and/or it was out of tune. This has happened on more than a couple of occasions so I'm guessing that it's a bit of a norm. Eek. One hates to complain but still. I do love to enter into the Mass prayers, or my own personal prayers, and it's definitely a challenge at their Masses. Maybe it's not universal though. Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08481730297658525937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-70294669367717012472013-08-20T17:15:31.465+01:002013-08-20T17:15:31.465+01:00I've ridden this hobby horse before so I ask p...I've ridden this hobby horse before so I ask pardon if these comments are tiresome to certain folks.<br /><br />Noise seems to be the hallmark of Mass today. With a few exceptions the production of noise at Mass can be found at both the New Rite and the Ancient one. I go to Mass at a site under the care of the Institute of Christ the King. Having attended many of their Masses (not all, to be sure) I have come to the conclusion that they, too, are enamoured of noise. <br /><br />For example, at their Low Mass there is basically only one moment where silence is allowed, the Consecration. At all other times, and I mean ALL other times, we hear one of two things: the priest reciting his prayers aloud (and their priests are not like the kindly but inexperienced Irish priest you are writing about) or a constant droning of the organ (usually played by an organist who is not in tune - literally! - with the musical treasures bequeathed to us by tradition). It is a trial, let me assure you. At an Institute Mass there is no room whatever for those long moments of quiet contemplation and adoration that the Ancient liturgy allowed us.<br /><br />Whether or not this constant din is the ICKSP's way of helping along Novus Ordo people to become acclimatized to the Old Rite I have no way of knowing. This is the situation with them in my part of the world. Perhaps their Masses in other locales are a bit better.Aged parenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05217229048176272954noreply@blogger.com