tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post4747043996570350624..comments2024-03-23T09:59:53.293+00:00Comments on LINEN ON THE HEDGEROW: What has Wales done to deserve such treatment?Richard Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-53691596633904628362014-12-06T09:24:27.750+00:002014-12-06T09:24:27.750+00:00I sat School Certificate in Latin with distinction...I sat School Certificate in Latin with distinction as a boy in a Catholic grammar school. All masses were said in Latin in and out of parishes in those days but I welcomed masses in the vernacular largely because few people could follow that esoteric dead language in church. <br /><br />My own personal tastes would include Latin masses by composers such as Gounod, the Mass of St. Cecilia, for example with orchestra and choir but that would be impossible nowadays. What about forming an Aramaic Mass Society. That would please Jesus. He was not keen on Romans and their language.Jim Hynesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-34788384005722003002014-04-23T07:01:58.881+01:002014-04-23T07:01:58.881+01:00Anon, indeed, Wrexham has been silent for far too ...Anon, indeed, Wrexham has been silent for far too long.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-25425064019210018572014-04-22T22:14:37.026+01:002014-04-22T22:14:37.026+01:00It is with regret that numbers at the Wrexham venu...It is with regret that numbers at the Wrexham venues hardly shout out that more not less is needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-89498733861751059272013-12-02T16:39:56.921+00:002013-12-02T16:39:56.921+00:00Its not just in Wales. Much of Scotland is in the ...Its not just in Wales. Much of Scotland is in the same position. Paisley Diocese is the blackspot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-42624634140059854712013-12-01T21:49:28.293+00:002013-12-01T21:49:28.293+00:00Yes, this is the main problem that I have seen in ...Yes, this is the main problem that I have seen in Cardiff: there are very few people who are interested in the Latin mass. Short of forcing people, what is to be done? There are a few of us in Cardiff who are dying for it but then there are other problems that you speak of: hostility from certain people, even some who claim to be a friend of tradition. It is hard not to be reduced to tears in a situation where someone who is supposed to be helping you seems to hate you and ignores e-mails and phone calls. I was told by one person in particular that he had never encountered someone so belligerent in things touching on the sacred. I took it as a compliment. Belligerent for Christ 'till my dying day!Rhoslynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11974106206703455204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-10390517275599297492013-11-30T14:14:43.834+00:002013-11-30T14:14:43.834+00:00Lynda: the lack of enthusiasm for – or indeed ackn...Lynda: the lack of enthusiasm for – or indeed acknowledgment of – <i>Summorum Pontificum</i> among the Irish hierarchy and clergy in general can possibly be explained by the anti-Vatican attitude of many clergy in Ireland. This is not new, as there has been an attitude of “we do things our way here” among Irish clergy for a long time.<br /><br />Though some Irish seminarians are sent to study in Rome and may come back with ‘Roman’ ideas, the reality on the ground for many is that they are a minority without influence and must be ‘re-educated’ upon their return. For example, one Rome-educated young priest was curtly told by his PP when he made some suggestions about liturgical praxis in the parish: “This is Ireland, not Rome”.<br /><br />A now-retired Irish bishop once boasted that he immediately binned anything that came from Rome. He was also very popular with the people. So, as you rightly point out, there is no groundswell of demand for the EF because it has not been promoted by the clergy or the hierarchy. <br />GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-8230554790997835622013-11-28T23:25:07.970+00:002013-11-28T23:25:07.970+00:00Thank you. We need it!Thank you. We need it!Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714204002726632689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-7434022189810027532013-11-28T21:01:53.783+00:002013-11-28T21:01:53.783+00:00Excellent news Mummy........kudos to Cardiff LMS I...Excellent news Mummy........kudos to Cardiff LMS I guess.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-38810737939193479692013-11-28T17:55:59.465+00:002013-11-28T17:55:59.465+00:00In my prayers. Keep going!In my prayers. Keep going!Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-20709558698098633252013-11-28T17:32:45.631+00:002013-11-28T17:32:45.631+00:00Positive news here. Bishop of Cardiff has agreed i...Positive news here. Bishop of Cardiff has agreed in principle to offer Confirmation in the EF in Cardiff next year.Delighted.Mummymayhemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17658150899958179479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-76163676838813484022013-11-28T15:41:14.269+00:002013-11-28T15:41:14.269+00:00AP, your last sentence is the one that I cling to....AP, your last sentence is the one that I cling to. God bless.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-29251993028041754792013-11-28T15:40:25.058+00:002013-11-28T15:40:25.058+00:00Lynda, what a state Ireland has got itself into, w...Lynda, what a state Ireland has got itself into, will remember the cause in my prayers.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-85020802692180495832013-11-28T15:39:51.158+00:002013-11-28T15:39:51.158+00:00Jacobi, yes, I welcome your comments but I have be...Jacobi, yes, I welcome your comments but I have been treading this path since 1989. I am not giving up, it will take place, in God's own time.<br />Re the demand. The pattern is as follows. EF priest goes to parish and, over a year or two builds up a decent sized congregation for the old Mass (circa 35).<br />Bishop gets wind of it and moves priest.<br />And, as for 2. I am trying to do just that, please say a prayer to St Joseph for our house to be sold. Thanks and God bless.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-32394638057049072882013-11-28T15:36:23.731+00:002013-11-28T15:36:23.731+00:00EFPE, thank you Father, yes, I remember that you a...EFPE, thank you Father, yes, I remember that you are no stranger to Wales. But 3 parishes.....and how often? We need every parish to offer an EF Mass.....and they will, in time. God bless.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-53385560190513991352013-11-28T15:34:43.741+00:002013-11-28T15:34:43.741+00:00Thanks Anon, great comment but, just so that I do ...Thanks Anon, great comment but, just so that I do not mislead, I am an Englishman living in Wales. Some call us 'white settlers' but I refer to us as 'missionaries'. God bless.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-15951511749467341872013-11-28T14:24:20.258+00:002013-11-28T14:24:20.258+00:00It is a pretty foregone conclusion that the world&...It is a pretty foregone conclusion that the world's Bishops, almost to a man, have decided that the first thing that must be done is to ignore Summorum Pontificum (knowing full well that Rome lacks the will to go after them) and failing that, to "ghettoize" the Mass into one - and one only - location in the diocese. With the second option they also try to find the most subservient traditional order they can (there are one or two out there) knowing that they won't rock the boat or try to expand the Mass to other locales.<br /><br />Rome's cowardice is the problem here, but we need to keep soldiering on. "praying and punching" as the late, great Hamish Fraser used to say.<br /><br />We will win in the end.Aged parenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05217229048176272954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-52691268329823532452013-11-28T13:13:12.167+00:002013-11-28T13:13:12.167+00:00It is so sad that Wales is sidelined, a nation tha...It is so sad that Wales is sidelined, a nation that - until Protestantism was violently forced upon it by the English - was unmistakably Catholic, but still in its literature and spirituality is Catholic at heart! Many opportunities have been wasted in Wales by the hierarchy - though not exclusively by them, of course - to blow away the ash and breath new life into the faint embers of Welsh Catholicism - a nation which surely, by its nature and culture is very receptive to the true religion, if only Welsh culture and society were taken seriously by everybody else in the world! It is a great shame, that of the three dioceses in Wales, not one of the bishops are Welsh. God bless you, and other Welsh Catholics - real Catholics that is! - and Catholics in Wales who keep those embers burning in their homesteads. You are in my prayers.<br /><br />A religious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-44641418702086353972013-11-28T12:56:54.351+00:002013-11-28T12:56:54.351+00:00It's worse in Ireland. There's no old form...It's worse in Ireland. There's no old form Mass in most dioceses. The problem is the bishops and priests are not promoting it. The vast majority of Catholics aren't aware of the ancient form and that it ought to be available. Most bishops and priests never told their people about Summorum Pontificum. Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714204002726632689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-19017117863823656742013-11-28T10:36:39.504+00:002013-11-28T10:36:39.504+00:00Re yr answers
2. And then, hopefully, moved to an...Re yr answers<br /><br />2. And then, hopefully, moved to another parish where they can spread the good news<br />4. Write directly to Pope Francis. He likes to keep in touch <br />5. 800 sq miles is nothing. Circa 120 mls top to bottom. You can drive that in 2 ½ hrs. You’re lucky you don’t live where I do. <br />6. I’m sure the traditional orders would be flexible. Don’t you have one up in the Wirral somewhere. Oh but that’s in England, isn’t it?<br /><br />The answer that concerns me most is to 1. If the demand is not there then you have a problem!<br /><br />ps you have my sympathies, believe you me. Keep trying.<br />Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-26117142627120124682013-11-28T09:41:56.110+00:002013-11-28T09:41:56.110+00:00I understand that Summorum Pontificumis alive and...I understand that Summorum Pontificumis alive and well in Llay, Buckley and Holywell in Wrexham Diocese - Bishop Peter Brignell's Diocese.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-36841441049041188672013-11-28T08:43:35.443+00:002013-11-28T08:43:35.443+00:00Jacobi, that is the procedure, here is the reality...Jacobi, that is the procedure, here is the reality:-<br /><br />1. We've tried stable groups.<br />2. But then they get persecuted, isolated and penalised<br />3. We have the organisation see http://meneviastabatmater.blogspot.com<br />4. Done that, weak, facile response<br />5. 5% of the priests over a diocese of an estimated 800 square miles...the logistics are against us also.<br />6. Not so simple, you see some have the funny idea that they want to serve in the region where they were born, where their calling is best served, in their eyes.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-50109233127621063532013-11-28T07:36:23.960+00:002013-11-28T07:36:23.960+00:00“Hungry for the Latin Mass”
Well you apply the ap...“Hungry for the Latin Mass”<br /><br />Well you apply the appropriate procedures.<br /><br />1. Any stable group of the Faithful who wish the Mass may have it<br />2. Any priest who wishes to, may say the Latin Mass, without permission from a bishop<br />3. It is a matter of organisation for all to get together<br />4. If the bishop obstructs you complain to Rome (not sure where , but can find out )<br />5. If 5% of priests in your area can say the Latin Mass there should be no problem since I doubt if > 5% of the Faithful want it at this stage <br />6.If bishops and those in Rome don’t play ball, your priests can switch to a Traditional order and the problem is solved! <br />Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.com