tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post1350452274522276555..comments2024-03-23T09:59:53.293+00:00Comments on LINEN ON THE HEDGEROW: Time for Novus Ordo Catholics to step up to the mark?Richard Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-63367288255644214872011-07-04T08:19:40.311+01:002011-07-04T08:19:40.311+01:00Brent - I saw it on an American blog recently, I w...Brent - I saw it on an American blog recently, I will research it and report back.<br />Many of our best and strongest Catholics are converts.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-5008793763602831432011-07-03T23:23:18.800+01:002011-07-03T23:23:18.800+01:00Could you point me to where the Holy Father talks ...Could you point me to where the Holy Father talks about guitars? I recently did a <a href="http://www.almostnotcatholic.com/2011/06/liturgical-no-no-2-guitars-in-mass.html" rel="nofollow">post</a> about guitars being a no-no in the Mass (a follow up to a <a href="http://www.almostnotcatholic.com/2011/05/liturgical-no-no-applause-in-mass.html" rel="nofollow">post</a> about applause being a no-no in the Mass) and got quite the back-lash. Funny being that I'm a convert from low-church protestantism.<br /><br />What most don't understand is that as the liturgy goes so goes East-West reunification. Or as Father Z. says, "Save the Liturgy, Save the World."Brent Stubbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17814899666244618561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-72501493393203526902011-07-03T13:51:18.755+01:002011-07-03T13:51:18.755+01:00You got it, Anthony. Welcome aboard!You got it, Anthony. Welcome aboard!Gentyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569143943867323153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-78972610008867363682011-07-02T22:43:15.788+01:002011-07-02T22:43:15.788+01:00Catholics - be proud of the wonderful heritage you...Catholics - be proud of the wonderful heritage you have! As a recent convert who had to flee from a liberal RCIA to the joy of 'old fashioned' instruction at the Oxford Oratory, I want to encourage my recently acquired brethren to be a sign of contradiction. You don't convert the world by aping it.Anthony Radicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02604899095747004651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-45538182396602906882011-07-01T07:48:36.508+01:002011-07-01T07:48:36.508+01:00TLW - and Uncles who hug you before Mass :)
Mary ...TLW - and Uncles who hug you before Mass :)<br /><br />Mary - I am sure some of these things must happen at a TLM from time to time but I've never witnessed them. We can, on certain occasions, charitably admonish those who transgress. I recently visited a famous church where a male tourist wandered around wearing a hat. I politely asked him to remove it and he did.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-63954151237716091462011-07-01T02:54:16.972+01:002011-07-01T02:54:16.972+01:00Those EMHC's would not appropriate the priest&...Those EMHC's would not appropriate the priest's duties with purifying the vessels if Father wouldn't plant himself in a chair as though exhausted by the act of administering the Eucharist.<br /><br />Some of my pet peeves in addition to yours:<br /><br />Lay persons who prepare the altar for the offertory as though the priest can't do it himself<br /><br />People who do not allow the priest to lead the prayers, such as the Gloria, Creed and Our Father. It makes me want to grab the offender by the shoulders, shake him and yell: "We KNOW you know all the words, now slow down!"<br /><br />People who receive Holy Communion and bolt out the door. <br /><br />Cantors who can't carry a tune. Don't let me get started on this one.<br /><br />Organists who don't pay attention to the offertory and continue to play even though the priest has washed his hands and is about to say "pray brethren".<br /><br />Priests who tell jokes in the sanctuary instead of prayerfully preparing themselves and the servers for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.<br /><br />EM's who traipse about the altar and in and out of the tabernacle with the same reverence they'd have getting a snack out of the refrigerator.<br /><br />Ushers who smack their friends on the back as they're getting out of the pew to go to Communion and chat with people they know who are on their way back from having just received the Lord.<br /><br />I do have one pet peeve concerning the TLM btw. There are two people in my parish who have deluded themselves into believing they can sing. For some reason, they seem to think they should sing at twice the volume the schola does,which is a problem when they race through the chants rather than letting the schola lead. The faithful are invited to sing some of the chants with the schola. They are never invited to sing louder than the schola, but you'd never know it listening to these two. It's the one time during the TLM when I'm tempted to have uncharitable thoughts. Hey, at least we HAVE a schola and a TLM. I should be embarrassed to even complain, right?TLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05699746979019393620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-31772253940129552602011-07-01T01:13:46.228+01:002011-07-01T01:13:46.228+01:00I agree with you on a number of these issues - I t...I agree with you on a number of these issues - I think it's important to keep the Mass as reverential as possible with Christ as the focus. Our pastor ran a fairly tight parish in regard to your list. Not quite as strict as yours, though :) You can't stand at the door and force people to spit out their gum (lol). Of course, they're not supposed to be chewing it before Communion anyway. They are supposed to fast. Unfortunately, our pastor passed away last week. The Latin Mass has been cancelled for the summer and we don't even know if we'll get it back. I guess it depends on who we get as a new pastor. I attend weekday Mass at another parish and I DO see a few of the items on your list there. But, Richard, to be fair, some of these things happen at the TLM, too. This is usually on the part of the people. After all, no one can control what another person does. OF or EF - let us remember that Jesus looks at the heart of a person attending Mass. Outward reverence is good if it shows the inner reverence of the heart. If this inner reverence is not there, one is no better than the Pharisees that Jesus condemns regardless of whether that person attends the OF or the EF.Mary N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06618318192221168152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-57825281133418890892011-06-30T19:26:05.192+01:002011-06-30T19:26:05.192+01:00Thanks God you don't come to my parish! You wo...Thanks God you don't come to my parish! You would be sick, mainly for the clapping and the dance of kisses and hugs at the same time that the Tabernacle is opened.P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10713616744985615258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-8590508402069407432011-06-30T16:54:55.157+01:002011-06-30T16:54:55.157+01:00Genty - you overwhelm me, I think I'll have to...Genty - you overwhelm me, I think I'll have to go and lie down in a darkened room!<br />Good list.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-91928593046756263492011-06-30T15:33:49.580+01:002011-06-30T15:33:49.580+01:00It needs to be said that some of these are not &qu...It needs to be said that some of these are not "official" abuses but are things some people do not like. I do not think the use of guitars and flutes has been strictly forbidden - as we will see at Youth Day Masses etc. Also, the Instructions in the Roman Missal (Missa Normativa) allow the priest to use his own words in limited areas. "Bow your heads etc" is part of the Missal and not an invention of the priest etc. I think we need to distinguish between real abuses and things people don't like otherwise it becomes too subjective. There are lots of things I do not like, and some things I do, which are neither innovations not abuses. Just let's be clear about this so we know what we are talking about.Fr John Abbertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10319996483623888898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-21081846400367063252011-06-30T15:17:48.254+01:002011-06-30T15:17:48.254+01:00All that, plus:
Welcomers
"Good morning, eve...All that, plus:<br /><br />Welcomers<br />"Good morning, everyone"<br />Mini-homilies before the start of Mass<br />Replacing the Confiteor with the priest's own confection<br />Preambles to each part of the Kyrie<br />Priests coming off the sanctuary to shake hands<br />Priests patting non-communicants' heads while distributing Holy Communion<br />Anglican hymns replacing Catholic ones<br />The OT reading which rarely links in with the Epistle and Gospel<br />Lack of preparation which turns a reading into gobbledegook<br />Elongated bidding prayers<br />Applause for children who show their pictures crayoned during the Children's Liturgy<br />Children's Liturgy<br />Procession of gifts down the nave<br />The crashing of coins as they are emptied into one basket<br />Hair-flicking server girls<br />Parents who give their toddler sons toy cars to crash into pews and walls<br />Chewing the Host<br />Sitting down and chatting immediately after reception<br />"Bow your heads and ask for God's blessing"<br />Talking loudly during the organ voluntary<br /><br />I must add that this is a miscellany, although several of the above can be experienced in one parish.<br />Time to lie down in a darkened room.Gentyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569143943867323153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-35573865036072858062011-06-30T13:07:33.370+01:002011-06-30T13:07:33.370+01:00Shadowlands - thanks for your good comment. I thin...Shadowlands - thanks for your good comment. I think you beat me into submission rather than inspire me :)Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3682550116445790117.post-60257141929295806202011-06-30T12:01:48.394+01:002011-06-30T12:01:48.394+01:00"I am very grateful to some good friends with..."I am very grateful to some good friends with whom we had coffee yesterday. They step up to the mark, they inspired this post."<br /><br />Oh, for a moment I thought it was me who had inspired you, or rather my comment on your guild post, from yesterday.<br /><br />I agree with all your abuse views. I prefer to be left alone in Mass, also no music wouldn't bother me, I can listen to worship music online and post it on my blog to save it.<br /><br />I still embrace Mass, however it is celebrated, as long as it's inline with church teaching/authority.<br /><br />Actually Richard, I would recommend including blindfolding some 'types' as they enter Mass. Some abuses are done with eyes and ears, not all Novus Ordo preferer's either. We ALL have room in our hearts for improvement in attiudes. Maybe earplugs and gags could be included as perceived neccessary and we could tie up the hands and feet of some(wih a master lock release when knees are needed for kneeling)? Or maybe throw bricks (plastic) at repeat offenders of either side of the liturgical fence (we want to remain impartial obviously)? <br /><br />Ok, I'm going a bit over the top maybe...... ;)<br />In the meantime, I will pray for your EF wish.mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06962374096401238994noreply@blogger.com